Mgm Grand Roulette Table Limits

Jaywall

You can play all the most desired table games in the casino at Park MGM.

I might go to Macau in this autumn. I have never been able to find any information on table limits in that city.
I do know that they denominate their chips in HK dollars (actually Macanese currency but it is pegged to HK$) and they would not advertise the fact, but I do know that Chinese gamblers wager for higher stakes than North American ones.
What are the typical table limits in the larger casinos of Macau? are they larger than the typical $10-$10,000 in larger LV casinos, or $5-$5,000 in smaller LV casinos?
boymimbo

While most casinos in Macau have HK$ 100 table game minimums, the minimums start at HK$ 50 at the President.


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Jaywall
I understand. What I primarily want to know is the table maximums, at least for the areas where the mortals play.
pacomartin
Macau is exploding past the Last Vegas strip in overall gaming. They made more in the first quarter of 2010 then the Las Vegas strip made in all of CY2009. However 89% is Baccarat. Blackjack earns about 1/3 as much in Macau as the Las Vegas Strip.
In Vegasthe following casinos will take a $10K bet on blackjack.
(1) Aria; Bellagio ; MGM Grand; Mirage
(2) Harrahs; Paris ; Planet Hollywood; Rio;
(3) Treasure Island
(4) Venetian; Palazzo
(5) Wynn; Encore
(6) Golden Nugget permits bets up to US$15K (a subtle distinction from US$10K which seems to be only for bragging rights)
(7) Ceasars has three tables that permit bets up to US$50K .
From the tourist guide below, blackjack is treated as a minor game in Macau and they don't want you to gamble more than US$100-$400 maximum. I am rather surprised by this low number. Even the casinos on Fremont street (except those that make less than $1million per month) will take bets as high as US$1000.
Macau is more fond of Cussec (a variation on Sic-Bo Boule) then they are of blackjack.
Baccarat is divided between normal baccarat and VIP baccarat. I assume that by mortal you mean regular baccarat.
From the tourist guide below , I would guess that regular baccarat would limit you to something like HK$10,000.
I found this blurb in a Macau tourist guide . Presumably the dollar amounts are Macau dollars.
# Blackjack
The casinos operate several kinds of Blackjack tables - some with minimum bets of $20 and others with minimum bets of $100. The maximum bet on any game is $1,000 or $3,000 depending on the table.
# Roulette
The roulette tables in Macau are similar to those found in casinos elsewhere in the world. The wheels in Macau carry only one zero.
The minimum bet on any roulette number is $1 and $5. Bets of a minimum of $20 may also be placed on quarter divisions of the wheel, with the exception of zero, which is held by the bank on such bets. Players are provided with a chart bearing a reproduction of the wheel, showing the sequence of the numbers, the colors and the quarter divisions. The chart also lists winning numbers from the last several games at the table.
# Baccarat
The minimum bet on baccarat is $100. Maximum bets on baccarat are depending on the table. Maximum payout on any game of baccarat is $60,000 for the table.
I don't know how to interpret this final statement, but I assume that per player is limited to HK$10,000 . I am not sure why you would limit the payout for the table. I've never heard of anything like that in Vegas. Maybe the dealer will tell you otherwise.
My own thoughts:
The last number I saw was that Macau was making close to $60 million per day in 2010. The Las Vegas strip made an average of $15.2 million per day in 2009. I am sure that you can find someone that can handle any size bet that any single human being is willing to play. I assume that the tourist guide does not apply to VIP baccarat. I also assume that people gambling at that level have pre-approved markers and are not using cash.
Jaywall
@pacomartin
Was Edgar a son of King Lear? Since the inept Albany is childless and Edgar is practically the Prime Minister, he would probably become King once Albany passes on... Unless Albany sevens out (remarrying and having a child at that old age).
I think that maximum is lower than what I thought. Even $60k in HK$ is only about $8,000 US$, which per table is not big. Perhaps the bigger stakes are reserved for the 'immortals'...
I have been to vegas quite a few times, and while BJ max is $10k in most high-end casinos except Caesars, Baccarat and Pai gow (not PGP) limits are usually $20k...
pacomartin

@pacomartin
Was Edgar a son of King Lear? Since the inept Albany is childless and Edgar is practically the Prime Minister, he would probably become King once Albany passes on... Unless Albany sevens out (remarrying and having a child at that old age).


Edgar is the legitimate son of Gloucester (fine word, l-e-git-i-mate). He likes dice and wine, but his bastard brother deceives him out of his birthright and his father's love.
There is a general observation about Asia that extreme wealth is kept behind closed doors as much as possible. But more specifically since Macau has a little more than half the number of visitors as Las Vegas, and still manages to take in what is approaching four times the gaming revenue, you would think the limits would be very high. Until you asked the question I never looked into it. But it seems that the high limits are reserved for VIP baccarat which generates 2/3 of the Macau income.
But still the games outside of the VIP baccarat area are taking in as much as the Las Vegas strip, so even the ordinary visitor must be more interested in gaming than in Las Vegas. Maybe a big part of their success is forcing everyone to play at smaller stakes for longer periods of time.
Jaywall
I have read this account from a non-English site. It didn't mention the Casino's name, but apparently it was not a casino owned by an American.
In a casino in Macau, a Chinese guy was playing baccarat for hours and was mostly winning. He bet everything he had, HK$1 million (actually probably patacas, but doesn't matter) at tie.
The dealer and the managers stopped him, because the limit at tie was HK$600,000 (about US$80,000).
So he bet that HK$600K, and lo and behold, a tie came forth.
The managers walked him out, with HK$400K plus the HK$5.4 million he just won, for a total of HK$5.8 million (about US$770,000).
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It was probably a high-limit area, and since the limit for tie was HK$600K, the limit for banker/player was probably around HK$5 million (about US$620,000).
HKrandom
Absolutely no Casino in Macau accepts the local currency, they all exclusively take Hong Kong dollars (however you can easily change the local currency to HKD). In the regular high limit area in the Venetian the limit on blackjack is 20,000 HKD a hand ($3,000) and the maximum win in Baccarat is HK$200,000-HK$300,000 in both high limit and normal areas. I believe the limits at the Wynn and the Sands are similar. The limits in private rooms can be much higher but you need to gamble a lot before being accepted in those. I went with someone that cached in nearly a million HKD and he had to play in the high limit area for a while before being accepted into the private rooms at the Venetian.
HKrandom
I know this is an old thread but in case someone is still interested, here are the numbers I saw at the different places I went to (all amounts are in HKD, all for baccarat):
Sands: Most regular tables have a minimum of either $300 or $500 and a maximum of $200,000. Most tables in the high limit area have a minimum of $1000-$5000 with a maximum of $300,000. Tables in the Playboy Club have a minimum of $10,000 and I believe the maximum was around $300,000-$500,000. There are also special areas for ruby card holders and diamond card holders, and I imagine the limits there must be much higher. Playing $500 baccarat for around 5 hour got me 25 points and you need 888 points for the ruby card and 8,888 points for the diamond card.
Venetian: Pretty much the same as Sands. I saw a blackjack table in the high limit area that had a $1,000 minimum and a $20,000 maximum if that interests you. The Sands also operates many private rooms with higher limits.
Wynn: $200 minimum on many tables, but I believe most have a $300-$500 minimum and all have a $200,000 maximum. High limit tables typically have a $3,000 minimum and a $300,000 maximum and some have limits of $5,000-$500,000. The Wynn also has many private rooms with higher limits.
Grand Lisboa: Minimums are around $300-$500 and maximums in regular playing areas are $200,000-$300,000. I haven't checked their high limit areas. This Casino also seems to have a lot more blackjack/roulette/craps/poker tables than the other casinos if that interests you.
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Wow. Things must have changed a lot since my last trip in July 09. At that time $100 games were easy to find anywhere, and some SJM casinos had $50 games. This was for blackjack, but I would think the baccarat minimums would be similar.
Speaking of Macau, I'd really like to go in the spring. Hopefully I can find some kind of specific reason to hang the trip on.
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The MGM Grand certainly lives up to its name, delivering the largest gaming floor in Las Vegas and one of the biggest hotels in the world. It is located towards the south side of Las Vegas Blvd. on the corner of Tropicana Avenue.

Mgm Grand Blackjack Table Limits

Along with its self-parking garage, valet can be accessed off Tropicana. The garage can also be entered off Koval Lane. Unfortunately, parking and valet are no longer free. Fees are determined by how long you stay and your tier status in the M Life rewards program. If you don’t wish to gamble to move up in tier status, you could apply for the M Life credit card to become eligible for free self-parking.

The theme at MGM Grand seems something like Hollywood with the large lion statues lining the outside. Inside, however, there is no clear-cut thematic selection. Despite its massive size, MGM Grand also doesn’t provide the glitzy swank one might expect. It’s by no means an ugly dump, but it’s darkly lit, a bit smoky, and the overall vibe is a little peculiar.

Many boxing matches have been held at MGM over the years. Given how much corruption exists in the sport, that energy seems to spill over into the casino, as its crowd type tends to be a bit rowdy over classy. It’s the sort of thing you just have to see for yourself to completely understand. Nevertheless, MGM Grand delivers the essence of Vegas. It’s got everything you were told you would see and a whole lot more.

Casino at MGM Grand

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As promised, the largest gaming floor in town is 171,500 square feet. Slots are scattered all over the place and the wide selection of table games stretches on and on, with multiple pits. As this is one of MGM’s “big time” properties, table game minimums are all upwards of $10.

Baccarat

Mgm Grand Roulette Table Limits

Baccarat tables at the MGM Grand have a $10 minimum. All tables feature standard rules.

Blackjack

Unless you go to the high limit section, 6-5 odds are the payout for all blackjack games. Minimums are anywhere from $10 to $25, and the dealer must hit on all soft 17s. If you want lower betting limits, there are some virtual blackjack games in the slots. One is $3, and if you want a live dealer it’s $5.

If you’re interested in some of blackjack’s other variations, Free Bet Blackjack is offered at a $25 minimum.

Craps

There are several craps tables at MGM, and all of them are situated in their own, separate pit. Odds on all games are the standard 3-4-5 with a $10 minimum. There are also virtual craps games with a $1 minimum, and they are located within the slots on the main floor.

Roulette

Roulette table minimums are $10, $15, or $25 with the standard double zero. There is also a $5 virtual roulette machine with a live wheel and camera. These machines are located by the slots.

A view of the virtual table games section from our last visit:

Other MGM Grand Table Games

– Let it Ride with bonus ($10 minimum)
– Crazy 4 Poker ($10 minimum)
– High Card Flush ($15 minimum)
– Three Card Poker ($15 minimum)
– Ultimate Texas Hold’em Progressive ($10 minimum)
– Pai Gow Poker ($25 minimum)
– Pai Gow Power Tiles ($25 minimum)
– Big Wheel of Fortune ($2 minimum)

We thought we might see a few additional mixed games considering that the floor is the largest in Las Vegas, but this selection is certainly above average. The most distinct part of the gaming floor is the section dedicated to $3 video baccarat, blackjack, craps, and roulette. It also has keno for $0.50 and video poker for a quarter. During its peak hours there is a DJ, and this area can be found against the wall behind the sportsbook, far away from the main part of the casino floor.

High Limit Table Games Room

It took us a few seconds to realize we had entered the high limit section, as it has no seclusion or marked entrance. It is fairly large and features a variety of blackjack and baccarat tables along with some roulette. Roulette in the high limit room is $50 per spin and European style with just one zero. Baccarat minimums are $100 here, and blackjack can be played for $50 or $100. Blackjack pays 3-2, and all rules besides the dealer having to stand on soft 17 are the same.

Slots at MGM Grand

We don’t have a count on the exact number of slot machines, but what we can tell you is there are definitely at least 1,000. Limits start at a penny and work their way up to $1, $2, and $5 on the main floor. You’ll notice the smaller amounts you can bet, the further away those machines are from the center part of the casino. This is not an accident. The ploy is to get you to want to be near the action where the higher denomination slots are located.

Naturally, there’s a huge selection of games, many of which are popular new machines. Some of the games we noticed include Wheel of Fortune, Casablanca, Michael Jackson, Elvis, Ghostbusters, The Walking Dead, Deal or No Deal, The Goonies, Willy Wonka, and The Hangover (I and II).

High Limit Slots at MGM Grand

Located right behind the high limit table games section, the high limit slots room is large and is broken down into multiple sections. It doesn’t seem like it ever gets too much traffic, but among the many slots you’ll also find some video poker. Those limits begin at $1 and go to $2, $5, $10, and $25, while the slots are $5, $10, $25, $50, $100, and $500. Of the slot game selection, Cleopatra II was one of its standouts, and there is also a private room to meet with a casino host.

Mgm Grand Casino Table Minimums

A view of the high limit slots room from our last visit:

Video Poker at MGM Grand

Apart from high limit VP are many more video poker machines, a lot of which are at the bars and can be played for comped drinks. Bar video poker games start at a quarter, but nickel and dime machines are also available on the casino floor. Limits get up to $1 per credit, and payouts are as high as 99.54% for Jacks or Better. The lowest payout is 98.01% on Bonus Poker.

Poker Room at MGM Grand

MGM Grand used to have one of the more active poker rooms in town and a daily 2-5 No Limit Hold’em game. As poker has moved past its prime, MGM’s poker room has more or less fallen off the map.

The redesigned 13-table room, which is right next to the TAP Sports Bar, is still good for a handful of 1-2 No Limit games every day. On a busy day you could even see anywhere from 7-10. The 2-5 No Limit still comes together once in a while, but only during the busiest times. We haven’t seen any other poker variations going recently, and it’s been a while since a 5-10 has popped up, but you never know who will show up during the World Series of Poker. Food comps pay $1 per hour.

There are four poker tournaments every day – $80 at 11:05 AM ($1,000 guaranteed prize pool), $60 at 2:05 PM ($400 guaranteed), $80 at 7:05 PM ($750 guaranteed), or $60 at 10:05 PM ($400 guaranteed).

Sportsbook at MGM Grand

The completely smoke-free sportsbook is still one of the best in town. Located across from the TAP Sports Bar, MGM’s horizontally-built sportsbook has plenty of big screen TVS and a ton of seating and desk space for sports bettors, VIPs, and horse bettors. It isn’t the most secluded sportsbook, but it is just far enough away from the casino floor that outside noise does not cause a distraction.

Multiple food options are nearby. In addition to TAP which has many more of its own TVs, the Stage Deli which also has a Nathan’s Hot Dogs is right next to the sportsbook and can see inside. Next to that, just outside the sportsbook, is a Bonanno’s pizzeria.

You can’t get a free drink just for showing up anymore. Drink tickets are now obtained after betting. You must bet $10 on the horses or $100 on sports to get a comped drink. While we’re sure this sounds like a lot, these figures are relatively low especially for an MGM property. Some of them don’t give away tickets for less than a $500 sports bet.

If you like live-betting on games after they have started, this isn’t yet available inside the sportsbook, but it can be done for every game on the PlayMGM sports betting app. To download the app, first you must open an account which you can do quickly and for free right inside the sportsbook. Once you’ve done that, all the MGM betting lines are at your fingertips from anywhere in Nevada.

The only thing we recommend is avoid betting the futures lines because seeing as what a major sportsbook MGM Grand is, their futures lines tend to have really stingy payouts since the majority of its bettors are tourists who don’t know or care they’re getting ripped off.

Hotel at MGM Grand

Stunningly, the hotel at MGM Grand has almost 7,000 rooms, suites and penthouses, along with separate VIP hotels within the property, called “Skylofts” and “The Mansion”. The Mansion is for those who want their stay to be very private, so you must call to inquire about staying there. The Skylofts are more of the stereotypical “baller” VIP hotel, and typically hosts celebrities as its guests. These rooms are usually reserved, but if they’re open they can be booked and are well upwards of $1,000 a night.

List of Rooms

– Grand King/Queen (446 square feet)
– Executive King/Queen Suite (675 square feet)
– Stay Well Grand King Room (size not available)– Tower Spa Suite (694 square feet)
– One Bedroom Suite(size not available)
– Grand View Suite (950 square feet)
– Penthouse City View Suite (1,250 square feet)
– Skyline Marquee Suite (1,500 square feet)
– Skyline Terrace Suite (size not available)

For the more typical hotel guest, 10% discounts are given to AAA and military members, and M Life cardholders can also receive up to 20% off. The normal rooms which can have strip views begin at either 350 or 446 square feet. They are all modern and often range from $80-$200 per night depending which day(s) of the week you’re staying. Suites and penthouses begin at 675 square feet and get up to 1,500, with price ranges moving up accordingly.

On top of the price for all these rooms except those for VIPs is the infamous mandatory nightly resort fee which comes to about $42 after tax. Resort fees don’t include much worth talking about apart from Internet, pool, and fitness center access. If you are coming to town to gamble, there’s always a chance you can get your room comped if you give enough action, so we advise you touch base with a casino host before you begin.

Spa and Fitness Center

A day pass to the Grand Spa, Christophe Salon, and barber shop for hotel guests is a rather pricey $30 and $50 for everybody else, but with that are 30 treatment rooms along with saunas, whirlpools, steam rooms, and lounges. Spa treatments which occur daily from 6 AM – 8 PM includes facials, a wide variety of massages, other body treatments, and tanning services.

Also open daily is the fitness center from 5:30 AM – 8 PM featuring top level cardio and weight equipment.

Restaurants at MGM Grand

Whether you want fine dining or something fast there are well over 20 places to eat at MGM Grand. If you are parking in the garage, there is a small strip of quick eats along the walkway that leads you to the casino, and a few 24 hour options exist in the food court in a section called The District.

Quality restaurants that won’t cut too far into your pocket are Wolfgang Puck Bar & Grill, Emeril’s New Orleans Fish House, Crush, Tap Sports Bar, Michael Mina Pub 1842, Hecho en Vegas Mexican Grill & Cantina, and Cabana Grill.

Fine Dining

Fine dining includes a mix of Italian, French, and Asian cuisines to go with Tom Colicchio’s Craftsteak. “Chef of the Century” Joel Robuchon brings you the French and Chef Masahuru Morimoto blends a mix of Japanese and American. Other higher end Asian restaurants are China Tang and Hakkasan, and rounding out MGM’s diverse and exquisite dining options is Fiamma Italian Kitchen.

Bars at MGM Grand

All throughout the casino are a variety of casual, loud, and swanky bars. Video poker players will probably be happiest at the Lobby Bar and Level Up, both of which are 24/7. If you would rather a bar that’s easier to sit at tables and talk, Whiskey Down is also 24/7 and has more than 50 types of whiskeys.

If you want something that brings more of a party atmosphere, Centrifuge is a very trendy bar and lounge, and if you want live music, particularly country music, stop by the Loser’s Bar.

You should also know about Topgolf. It is four levels high and has a huge outdoor driving range. Your party will have its own section with couches to go with a full food and alcohol menu. Also around the venue are five bars, two pools, VIP cabanas, and a large concert venue. This is one of Las Vegas’ most exciting new developments. It can be accessed with either free on-site parking or walking over from MGM Grand.

Hakkasan Nightclub at MGM Grand

Still just a few years old, the world’s largest nightclub holds its position as one of the most talked about nightspots in town. Here you’ll see some of the very best DJs in the business like Kaskade, Tiesto, Calvin Harris, and Steve Aoki.

Hakkasan is a total of five levels, although the restaurant, which is on the first level is separate from the nightclub. Expect to be waiting in long lines and cover charges can vary depending on how quickly they sell out, but normally it is $20 for women and $30 for men. Regular bar drinks are going to be vastly overpriced, and VIP table and bottle service which usually end up costing thousands is available. The club is open Thursdays through Sundays from 10 PM – 4 AM.

Baccarat
Big Six Wheel
Blackjack
Caribbean Stud
Casino War
Craps
Crazy 4 Poker
Flushes Gone Wild
Four Card Poker
High Card Flush
Let It Ride
Mississipi Stud
Oasis Poker
Pai Gow
Pontoon
Roulette
Sic Bo
Spanish 21
Three Card Poker
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